How to know which mazda lantis engine group you belong to?
Guys,
Have been seeing a lot of B8..kfze....terms around...
Not a much of a car techie....wud appreciate if sumeone can help to teach me how to know which type of engine i'm using and all....
ya...or at least give us your car spec ma... 1.6A ke....1,6M...1.8A etc....
original lantis engine sold here in Malaysia they got 1.6 and 1.8(m&at).Some cbu lantis got 1.5 engine(seen in Langkawi)(european spec) and v6 2000cc (Japan spec). These are the original lantis engines. The modified ones would be with the B8 180 & b8 210 hp turbo engine(engine form Mazda Interplay-year 1992++)..Correct me if im wrong.....So we guess your engine is one of these engine......or its a Rotary????heheheh
Are all the Lantis V6 the Type R version ? How to differentiate ?
Manual KF-ZE got LSD la...it's stended production... non-type R is KF-DE... still got LSD for the manual
But Type R 's cam are slightly tuned up for that extra 20hp from the normal 170hp...mine is only 150hp. Some halfcut tokey knows about KF-DE, KF-ZE, K8-DE, K8-ZE and KL-DE, KL-ZE. And many of them "named" the V6 the same code name... KF-ZE...
So guys out there using V6, are u really sure & confirm your car is type-R engine group?
Mine is KF-DE auto non-LSD
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So back to the question.... How to differentiate?
My knowledge about V6 is far too little compared to you all seniors & sifus here (I'm a junior member here, since March 2008 only)...
Thanks to halfcut chopshop we now can know & see more of these V6 engines.. KF-DE, KF-ZE, K8-DE, K8-ZE. KL-DE, KL-ZE and KJ-ZEM... And latest are AJ-DE, AJ-ZE or Duratec that have VVC just like VTEC. Non type R engines have the codename DE (e.g. KF-DE) or just KF, butta the chopshop only said KF V6 engine. All DE engine do not have LSD, most came here with auto tranny. While the ZE was coded as "Performance Machine" with revised upgraded intake camshaft & where intentionally marketed as Japan Domestic Market (JDM) full spec product & only available in Japan. The Europeans also has this ZE cars & enjoyed them earlier than we do in Malaysia. But here it NEVER ever came as a whole car... due to the favouritism to other car brand name & the SENGAL of the importer
Type R LSD has nearly 48%-52% balanced pulling power on both left & right driveshaft while the non-type R has a massive 60%-40% balanced pulling power. The feeling of the differences is huge. LSD is good while driving in wet & slippery conditions compared to non-LSD like mine that always drifting sideways when pulling some powers in the dry & worst in the wet. How to test & see LSD gearbox... simple la, anyone can do... jack the front of yr car, start yr engine, engage whatever gear u wanted, then see the circling directions on both front wheel... the rest u know la.. BTW type R KF & KL manual gearbox is about the same size & minor differences in ratio. KL & KF auto gbox r about the same too, and my tranny is a 5 speed auto model.
This is my layman's answer... I think the seniors & club founders here like u RK owned yr Lantis earlier than me & knows more hence the expert regarding Lantis unlike myself.... still clouded about Lantis.
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Type R vs non-type R
Same same. All Lantis V6 with KF 170hp, in Japan. As for LSD gearboxes, it depends on the year of production.
Pre Aug 96 production, LSD is an optional item.
Post Aug 96, all comes standard with LSD.
Therefore, if your halfcut comes from the land of the rising sun, then yes, its a 170hp KFZE. IF comes from Australia/NZ/other countries, then must find out.
KFZE engines also can be confirmed by checking the cam codes. But its a bit too technical here. If got time, come for TT, I will show u some pix on how to differentiate.
Yeop_Joe,
Apa macam ? bagus ? come out la. Dun always hide in your cosy workshop.... 
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"If we said I'm the smartest man in the world, the truth is.... we know nothing!" - Socrates
Type R vs non-type R
Same same. All Lantis V6 with KF 170hp, in Japan. As for LSD gearboxes, it depends on the year of production.
Pre Aug 96 production, LSD is an optional item.
Post Aug 96, all comes standard with LSD.
Therefore, if your halfcut comes from the land of the rising sun, then yes, its a 170hp KFZE. IF comes from Australia/NZ/other countries, then must find out.
KFZE engines also can be confirmed by checking the cam codes. But its a bit too technical here. If got time, come for TT, I will show u some pix on how to differentiate.
Yeop_Joe,
Apa macam ? bagus ? come out la. Dun always hide in your cosy workshop.... 
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My KF engine is also from Japon but only 140-150 horse only using RON97... Where's the extra 20hp gone? It's a 98 engine model, no LSD...where goes the LSD? What I know the ZE not only different with the camshaft (the intake camshaft degree installed in KFZE is between normal KFDE (626 Cronos) camshaft degree and stage 1 mazdaspeed intake camshaft degree setting), but also the ECU construction as it has the feature of controlling more than 6 injectors. A bit similar functionality like all other mazdas **-ZE ECU and a standalone ECU. That's a personal encounter as a layman like myself.
MK, I do R&D on my current & next car project. Gotta work more harder coz it requires more fundings as my frenz & I made frequent visit on the track & long journeys testing... we do it coz in the name of love in motorsports very-very much, and never try to endangered ourselves in street duels...and furthermore we do not have sponsors yet.. hopefully in the near future... Nah, I dun hide... 
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Hi Galileo,
Do you know if you can source for the KFZE ECU pinout diagram ? I have shouted at one of the threads but seems no one reply. Thought of just asking you.
guys...just to correct the facts eh...KF does not have 170HP..but 170PS....so hp is only around 140-150hp only la...sadly I have dyno mine ...fully stock standand mended engine..ha..ha.. only have 120hp (if not mistaken have to check back the graph but it is less than that)...sad... sad...
Azli, 170ps = 167hp , its about right. I believe this number is on flywheel. On wheel should lose about 20hp so, 150hp. But I do believe that when dyno stk std, it is 120-130hp. I had my V6TT last time, 1st dynoed was only 176hp !! but after installing an emanage and tuning, i get a max of 207hp that's a whopping 30hp increase.
Hence, I'm crossing my fingers on my emanage for my new KF now. But for NA, I think a 15hp on an emanage is good enough.
But I really do need the ECU pinout. I can't seem to get this on the WORLD WIDE WEB ! can somebody help ??
My KF engine is also from Japon but only 140-150 horse only using RON97... Where's the extra 20hp gone? It's a 98 engine model, no LSD...where goes the LSD? What I know the ZE not only different with the camshaft (the intake camshaft degree installed in KFZE is between normal KFDE (626 Cronos) camshaft degree and stage 1 mazdaspeed intake camshaft degree setting), but also the ECU construction as it has the feature of controlling more than 6 injectors. A bit similar functionality like all other mazdas **-ZE ECU and a standalone ECU. That's a personal encounter as a layman like myself.
Joe,How you know yours is 140-150 horses ? You dyno ? Even u do, u can't get that figure. Maybe, yours is a DE, sourced from 626 (if its a engine lantai). As for the LSD, only available for manual (yours is an auto if I am not mistaken, unless you changed again). Even in manual trans, there is also no guarantee its with LSD, unless u inspect it. And, Mazdaspeed did not came out with a camshaft for KF engines. Another possibility is your ecu is from a 626, but then again, it is not possible, coz 626 runs on VAF while KF runs on MAF. Well, I can confirm all KF in a Lantis (that come from Japan) is with 170hp. So, to those new buyers, dun worry.
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Aiyah MK & guyz & galz (if any)...
I've inherit Mazda cars from my late granny & late dad, they've been using Mazda 1000 & 323 GLC (the 1st 323 model). And I've been using the KF engine swap long before most of u guys did here lah... I've tested my engine & hantam cukup2, dynoed it.. wat ever u guyz can think or imagine of to test the engine/car, coz it's in my line of biz too... and I swap it from a Lantis 1/2 cut... not a 626 as u said b4...
U see guys, I'm here not to argue or create confrontation... or not to prove I'm the "walking encyclopedia" of mazda cars, but becoz the love of this brand of Mazda car that i grew up with, makes me an avid enthusiast, hence would like to share some of my knowledge & experiences.... but still, i'm not eager to spend times lepaking with other 323f fans out there... not yet bros..
Hope this would neutralised & cool down the heated topic...Thats all i can say
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Haiya... no one is looking for a fight here Joe. Its a good debate. kalau tak debat, macam mana nak improve.
You are playing with mazda long enough, that good. I also "devoted" to KF long enough, did many studies, practicals (of course theory first). So, also good. Therefore, the end benefit is our readers and our members.
Cheers to that !
p/s : I wish more members are "studying" our mazda engines more like us, so that we can have a good debate......
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Of all these studies both Galileo and Joe has.... no one can help me on the ECU pintout of the KFZE ? I really am very satisfied with my KF transplant. I can't say how much of a difference it has on my previous junky 1.8 Auto. It has wayyyyyy better mileage too.
I am planning to wire in my leftover Emanage blue to this KF and see how it performs. And really need help on the ECU diagrams.
Anyone, anyone ???
I lost my files coz my old hard disc konk 6 months ago. Sorry not able to help even though I would like to...
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Man, post ur engine photo up la, so that we can see and tell u the story mah...